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	<title>Comments on: Startup Barcamp Sydney Nov 2009</title>
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		<title>By: kcarruthers</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-572</link>
		<dc:creator>kcarruthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Must agree with you on this Paul - it is endemic across all small business startups</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must agree with you on this Paul &#8211; it is endemic across all small business startups</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wallbank</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Wallbank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 20:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kate,

I don&#039;t think the broken relationship problem is just a feature of startups. I suspect long, relationship unfriendly hours are true across the business community; whether the businesses are tech startups, plumbers, or a doughnut franchise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kate,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the broken relationship problem is just a feature of startups. I suspect long, relationship unfriendly hours are true across the business community; whether the businesses are tech startups, plumbers, or a doughnut franchise.</p>
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		<title>By: kcarruthers</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>kcarruthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the missing tag has been added to your comment ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the missing tag has been added to your comment <img src='http://katecarruthers.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh. My linkage is geb0rken &#039;cos I didn&#039;t close the 37signals link properly and it runs through to the end of the Evil Cult link. Dearest Kate, can this be ungeb0rkenerated?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh. My linkage is geb0rken &#8216;cos I didn&#8217;t close the 37signals link properly and it runs through to the end of the Evil Cult link. Dearest Kate, can this be ungeb0rkenerated?</p>
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		<title>By: kcarruthers</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>kcarruthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 23:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stil - I take your points re startup culture &amp; agree that the organisational culture does not need to be that way.  I was rather more thinking about the passion (nay even obsession) that grips some startup founders and how that can impact upon the rest of their lives.  For a sustainable business I agree that it needs a sustainable organisational culture &amp; folks would do well to read you &lt;a href=&quot;http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Calacanis is evil&lt;/a&gt; post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stil &#8211; I take your points re startup culture &amp; agree that the organisational culture does not need to be that way.  I was rather more thinking about the passion (nay even obsession) that grips some startup founders and how that can impact upon the rest of their lives.  For a sustainable business I agree that it needs a sustainable organisational culture &amp; folks would do well to read you <a href="http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/" rel="nofollow">Calacanis is evil</a> post.</p>
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		<title>By: Stilgherrian</title>
		<link>http://katecarruthers.com/blog/2009/11/startup-barcamp-sydney-nov-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>Stilgherrian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m intrigued by this observation:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Startups don’t leave much room for work life balance &amp; that people really need to weigh this up before they decide to undertake the startup journey.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I question whether it &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; needs to be that way.

This &quot;startup culture&quot; seems to be about a &lt;em&gt;very specific&lt;/em&gt; kind of new business, one which is about high-risk extreme growth before making extreme profits from a float on the share market. About becoming the next batch of billionaires by creating the Next Big Thing.

While there&#039;s nothing wrong with that goal in and of itself, it does assume a certain definition of success -- and about which other aspects of being human it&#039;s OK to trash along the way.

That you referred to startup &quot;junkies&quot; is revealing, Kate, because pursuing a dream to the neglect of others does mirror the behaviour of an addict.

Now I reckon it&#039;s also possible to build solid long-lasting businesses and still become rich without grinding yourself and everyone around you into the ground at the same time. The folks at &lt;a href=&quot;http://37signals.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;37signals&lt;/em&gt; &lt;/a&gt;have done just that while maintaining healthy lives and relationships -- and, indeed, moving to a 4-day work week. Yet some in the startup culture have derided them for creating a &quot;lifestyle business&quot;, as if it&#039;s some sort of unprofitable weekend hobby. As if anyone not pursuing this relentless growth at malignant-cancer speeds is somehow lazy.

I have of course written about this before, &lt;a href=&quot;http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;comparing startup culture to an evil cult&lt;/a&gt; -- an essay which proved one of my most popular from 2008 and much of which I still agree with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m intrigued by this observation:</p>
<blockquote><p>Startups don’t leave much room for work life balance &amp; that people really need to weigh this up before they decide to undertake the startup journey.</p></blockquote>
<p>I question whether it <em>really</em> needs to be that way.</p>
<p>This &#8220;startup culture&#8221; seems to be about a <em>very specific</em> kind of new business, one which is about high-risk extreme growth before making extreme profits from a float on the share market. About becoming the next batch of billionaires by creating the Next Big Thing.</p>
<p>While there&#8217;s nothing wrong with that goal in and of itself, it does assume a certain definition of success &#8212; and about which other aspects of being human it&#8217;s OK to trash along the way.</p>
<p>That you referred to startup &#8220;junkies&#8221; is revealing, Kate, because pursuing a dream to the neglect of others does mirror the behaviour of an addict.</p>
<p>Now I reckon it&#8217;s also possible to build solid long-lasting businesses and still become rich without grinding yourself and everyone around you into the ground at the same time. The folks at <a href="http://37signals.com" rel="nofollow">37signals </a>have done just that while maintaining healthy lives and relationships &#8212; and, indeed, moving to a 4-day work week. Yet some in the startup culture have derided them for creating a &#8220;lifestyle business&#8221;, as if it&#8217;s some sort of unprofitable weekend hobby. As if anyone not pursuing this relentless growth at malignant-cancer speeds is somehow lazy.</p>
<p>I have of course written about this before, <a href="http://stilgherrian.com/religion/john_calacanis_evil_cult/" rel="nofollow">comparing startup culture to an evil cult</a> &#8212; an essay which proved one of my most popular from 2008 and much of which I still agree with.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Kate Carruthers, Zara Choy. Zara Choy said: Kate&#039;s blog post on Startup Barcamp Syd RT @kcarruthers Blog: Startup Barcamp Sydney Nov 2009 http://bit.ly/5BMnEd #startupbcs #gew [...]</description>
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